1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Okay, I'm starting to get stuff. 2 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,820 Just walking around down there. 3 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:30,780 So I know something is present. 4 00:00:32,620 --> 00:00:34,620 This guy chills? 5 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:36,620 I know I seen the lady and I went. 6 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:38,620 Nobody came telling me nothing different. 7 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:40,620 I seen the lady and I went. 8 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:47,180 My name is Ryan and I'm a paranormal investigator. 9 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:50,780 When I was a kid, my experiences with the supernatural terrified me. 10 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:52,780 I've been searching for answers ever since. 11 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:57,260 When I got to Penn State, I realized I wasn't alone in my quest. 12 00:00:57,260 --> 00:01:02,220 So I founded the Paranormal Research Society, dedicated to helping those who were haunted like I was. 13 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:04,220 We are students. 14 00:01:04,220 --> 00:01:06,220 We are seekers. 15 00:01:06,220 --> 00:01:08,220 And sometimes we're warriors. 16 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:14,220 And each time we help someone, I feel like I'm one step closer to finding the truth. 17 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:16,220 This is Paranormal State. 18 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:27,180 Case file 2006.12.28f involves a family who lives in a historical building. 19 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:31,180 It was part of the underground railroad in Pennsylvania. 20 00:01:31,180 --> 00:01:35,180 It mainly involves Allie and her boyfriend Larry. 21 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:41,180 Right off the bat, I should tell you that the apparition has only appeared to African Americans. 22 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:45,180 Larry and Brandon, who was dating Allie's sister at the time. 23 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:52,140 Larry claimed to have seen a woman staring at him in Allie's room. 24 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:56,140 There wasn't a woman in the house, so that really freaked him out. 25 00:01:56,140 --> 00:02:00,140 When he saw the apparition, they were both underage and he was trying to sneak into Allie's room. 26 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:06,140 I don't think the parents have a feeling that they tolerate Larry, but they're not necessarily happy with him. 27 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:10,140 The tunnels are still around, but no one's been in them for a couple of decades. 28 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:14,140 So tech is going to be really needed in this one. 29 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:17,100 The house itself, how old is it? 30 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:19,100 1820s. 31 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:23,100 So it's very well likely that somebody could have died, like some woman could have died. 32 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:25,100 Doesn't even matter about death, there's just a lot of stuff that's happened. 33 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:27,100 Yeah. 34 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:29,100 A lot of history. 35 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:39,100 Hello. 36 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:41,100 Hi. 37 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:43,100 How was your guys' night? 38 00:02:44,060 --> 00:02:46,060 I heard some stuff, weird things going on. 39 00:02:46,060 --> 00:02:50,060 I heard a lady laughing, and I woke up and I was like, did you hear that? 40 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:52,060 And when I heard the stuff, I just basically stayed under the covers. 41 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:54,060 And your mom lived here starting in 1980? 42 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:56,060 That's me if I wanted the house. 43 00:02:56,060 --> 00:02:58,060 None of my sisters wanted it because they're afraid of ghosts. 44 00:02:58,060 --> 00:03:02,060 So there's a history in this house being haunted before. 45 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:04,060 His mother was always afraid in here. 46 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:06,060 She would never stay alone. 47 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:08,060 She had a friend that she never spent one night here alone. 48 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:10,060 So when did Larry experience the apparition? 49 00:03:10,060 --> 00:03:12,060 A year and a half ago. 50 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:15,020 This is where I seen the lady. She was over here. 51 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:17,020 But she was standing right here, just looking out the window at me. 52 00:03:17,020 --> 00:03:21,020 She left when they came downstairs to open the door. 53 00:03:21,020 --> 00:03:23,020 That's when she turned around. 54 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:25,020 This lady had almost like hair like you, and it was kind of like down like yours. 55 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:27,020 She didn't move at all or anything? 56 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:31,020 When she turned away, she just, her whole body kind of like shifted and she just went off. 57 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:33,020 That night was weird because it was freezing in that room. 58 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:35,020 You breathe and you can just see your breath. 59 00:03:35,020 --> 00:03:39,020 So I just was scared and I just turned over on my side and put the covers over my face. 60 00:03:39,980 --> 00:03:43,980 And Brandon, the other kid that saw one had walked into Hannah's room and- 61 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:45,980 The same room that Larry had seen the woman. 62 00:03:45,980 --> 00:03:47,980 And there was a woman standing in the middle of the floor. 63 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:49,980 And he came and was like, somebody's in here. 64 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:51,980 And it was the same description and everything. 65 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:55,980 And that's what really scares me because they don't even talk to each other. 66 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:57,980 So there's no way that they could be making something like that up. 67 00:03:57,980 --> 00:03:59,980 What about Brandon? Did you ever talk to Brandon about it? 68 00:03:59,980 --> 00:04:01,980 No, I don't talk to him about it because he don't live here. 69 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,980 I really don't know about that situation. 70 00:04:03,980 --> 00:04:07,980 I just never messaged the way that I know I seen the lady in that window. 71 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:10,940 How did the family take your relationship with Ally? 72 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:12,940 At first, I guess they didn't really know me. 73 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:13,900 I don't really know. 74 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,940 I mean, this is a white family. I'm African-American, so... 75 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:20,940 You said that this house was a part of the underground railroad. 76 00:04:20,940 --> 00:04:21,900 Oh, yes, it was. 77 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:23,980 I know it was used to help hide slaves. 78 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:27,980 We thought that the interesting thing was that the two guys at Sarawak were both black 79 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:31,980 and that this is such an old house that she would show herself to the two black men. 80 00:04:31,980 --> 00:04:33,980 That she'd noticed that they were there or something. You know what I mean? Maybe- 81 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:36,940 It's sort of odd because none of us have ever seen her. 82 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:38,940 Is he still terrified to live here? 83 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:41,900 Yeah, he's still scared. I mean, he won't stay in a room by himself. 84 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:45,900 He knows what he saw. He saw it. I mean, that would scare me even more seeing her. 85 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:47,900 I know I seen the lady in that window. 86 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:49,900 There's- Nobody can't tell me nothing different. 87 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:51,900 I seen the lady in that window. 88 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:56,940 Director's log. The clients have reported noises at night, which seem to be coming from the attic 89 00:04:56,940 --> 00:04:59,900 above the bedroom where Larry saw the apparition. 90 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,900 No one has been up there for years, so we'll have to be extremely cautious. 91 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:06,860 Am I going first? 92 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:08,860 Man, I'm already coughing. 93 00:05:12,860 --> 00:05:14,860 Oh, Jesus Christ. 94 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:20,860 You can sit there. 95 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:24,860 What's that light over there? You see that reflection? 96 00:05:24,860 --> 00:05:26,860 On the par side? 97 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:28,860 I'll go there. 98 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:46,860 See, what is that? Look right here. You see that light? 99 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:48,860 Ah! 100 00:05:50,860 --> 00:05:52,860 It's okay. 101 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:54,860 You don't think there's anything there? 102 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:56,860 I don't know. There's no way to tell. 103 00:05:57,820 --> 00:06:05,820 I think, find there's a really interesting hole near the girls' rooms. 104 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:11,820 The search of the attic yielded very little evidence, but our next step is to investigate a far more dangerous place. 105 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:15,820 The sealed off tunnels beneath the house. 106 00:06:15,820 --> 00:06:17,820 So what do we have here? 107 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:21,820 Take a remote control car and hook a camera to it and send it down. 108 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:23,820 Nice. 109 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:25,820 Alright. 110 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:27,820 I'm ready for some pushing. 111 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:31,820 Whoa, that was too fast. 112 00:06:39,820 --> 00:06:41,820 Oh, the spider webs. 113 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:53,820 Hey, what's this? 114 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:55,820 What's this? Go ahead. 115 00:06:55,820 --> 00:06:57,820 Is it? 116 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:59,820 See if there's anything more around there. 117 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:01,820 Yeah. 118 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:03,820 Just random stuff. Kind of tin cup. 119 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:05,820 Wait, newspapers. 120 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:07,820 Oh, seriously? 121 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:09,820 That is weird. 122 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,820 Let me go and brush off. 123 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:13,820 Bring it in. 124 00:07:13,820 --> 00:07:15,820 Wow, that's fascinating. 125 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:37,820 I'm a collector of artifacts for about 35 years. I'm curator for an underground railroad exhibit. 126 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:43,820 Well, we have some artifacts here that came from a house as part of the underground railroad. 127 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:49,820 There is a tunnel that runs underneath the house. These were found in the tunnel or around the tunnel on site. 128 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:53,820 We have this photograph here. 129 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:59,820 This is fantastic. This is mid-19th century, around the Civil War period. 130 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:05,820 If the picture was found there, we should be able to find the names of who the people are. 131 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:09,820 Okay, I'm excited that we find anything good. 132 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:11,820 I think we have the names. 133 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:13,820 Jacob and Jane Ann Whitzel. 134 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:15,820 Helping the church develop a world conscience. 135 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:17,820 So she was involved in the church? 136 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:19,820 Yes, the church was involved. 137 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:21,820 The Highlands Presbyterian? 138 00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:23,820 Presbyterian. 139 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:29,820 That leads us very much closer to the possibility that they could have been abolitionists. 140 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:31,820 That's good. 141 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:33,820 We now have the names to match our photograph. 142 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:39,820 And we think we have the identity of the home's original owners, Jacob and Jane Ann Whitzel. 143 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:43,820 We need to find out if Jane Ann Whitzel could be the apparition Larry has seen. 144 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:47,820 We copied some period photos at the museum along with our own tin photo. 145 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:53,820 Since Larry has never seen any of these before, I'm anxious to see which photo he chooses. 146 00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:07,820 This one right here, it looks definitely more like it. 147 00:09:07,820 --> 00:09:11,820 I don't know all these pictures. I will go with this picture. 148 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:15,820 I'm not sure. 149 00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:17,820 I'm not sure. 150 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:19,820 Directors note, this is incredible. 151 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:25,820 From a set of random period photos, Larry has just ID'd the original owner of the house as the woman he saw in the window. 152 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:29,820 A positive match like this is very rare and needs to be explored further. 153 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:33,820 So I've contacted CJ Sellers, a medium, to visit the location. 154 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:39,820 She doesn't know anything about the case yet, so I'm interested to see what she senses from the property. 155 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:41,820 Where would you like to start? 156 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:45,820 Well, you know, right away I get drawn upstairs. 157 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:47,820 I get drawn to this room right away. 158 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:53,820 You know, I actually get good feelings in this room. It doesn't feel negative to me. It feels warm. 159 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:57,820 I also, I get a sense of a protective good feeling. 160 00:09:57,820 --> 00:10:01,820 I feel like these energies are a little bit uncomfortable with changes. 161 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:09,820 And whatever that female energy was, I feel her with me, so I know she's kind of following me around here. 162 00:10:09,820 --> 00:10:15,820 The energy that I'm getting is really old fashioned, so if there's things going on that would be like, you know, two people being together, 163 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:17,820 they're not married and things like that might be an issue. 164 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:19,820 Their values are different. 165 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:24,820 I would get the sense of church going people and very proper. 166 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:29,820 I feel like they want a place in this household. They don't want to be asked to leave. 167 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:31,820 We did some historical research. 168 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:35,820 Okay. 169 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:43,820 That one stands out to me right away. 170 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:47,820 This is the one that I get the sense from of who I've been dealing with. 171 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:53,820 Yeah, she just simply does not approve of persons sleeping together at a wedlock. 172 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:56,820 Anything he wouldn't do in church, she shouldn't do here. 173 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:02,820 CJ's sense is a protective female presence in the house, but she also chose the same photo from the lineup as Larry. 174 00:11:02,820 --> 00:11:08,820 CJ also told me that she feels the spirit may be appearing to express to the public. 175 00:11:08,820 --> 00:11:14,820 She's also appearing to express discontent over Larry and Allie, an unmarried couple living in the house. 176 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:18,820 And since we've been here, I've noticed a similar vibe from Allie's family. 177 00:11:18,820 --> 00:11:23,820 I think they may be reluctant to let go of their early concerns about Larry and Allie's relationship. 178 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:28,820 And the fact that Larry's only one of them to see the ghost probably doesn't help. 179 00:11:28,820 --> 00:11:32,820 Allie and Larry, this is CJ, a friend of mine. 180 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:33,820 Nice to meet you. 181 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:35,820 I just wanted to give you guys opportunity to meet. 182 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:39,820 And Larry, why don't you tell CJ your story? 183 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:41,820 It was a night that she caught me over here. 184 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:43,820 I was actually sneaking in here. 185 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:47,820 I looked up at the window and there's this lady staring at me for like 10 minutes. 186 00:11:47,820 --> 00:11:51,820 Now, do you notice there's something different going on that it acts up a little bit more? 187 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:53,820 One of those arguing and acts up more. 188 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:55,820 One of the things that I picked up was an older woman. 189 00:11:55,820 --> 00:11:59,820 Her values of her day were different than the values today. 190 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:05,820 People sleeping together out of wild lock, things like this, that just in that day weren't appropriate. 191 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:14,820 If there's any kind of activities going on that at that period of time would have been considered inappropriate, she's going to let you know it. 192 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:15,820 How do you guys feel? 193 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:17,820 Weird. 194 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:19,820 Okay. 195 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:25,820 Katrina, didn't you tell me that you and your mom share some sort of psychic ability? 196 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:27,820 I want to say psychic. 197 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:28,820 Yeah. 198 00:12:28,820 --> 00:12:33,820 I would just say maybe a little bit more sensitive, maybe a little bit more intuitive. 199 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:35,820 Do you ever think about maybe talking to CJ? 200 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:42,820 I mean, it'd be interesting to see what she said because I think they told me before like she started out with just like dreams and stuff like that. 201 00:12:42,820 --> 00:12:43,820 I'm not sure if that's true though. 202 00:12:43,820 --> 00:12:47,820 Maybe she could tell you more about your dreams and stuff. 203 00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:53,820 I just wanted to talk to you because like I've always just had this gut feeling and so our dreams and I was just like, okay, what do I do with it? 204 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:56,820 Whether or not you choose to develop it, you know, it's completely up to you. 205 00:12:56,820 --> 00:12:57,820 Are you afraid of it? 206 00:12:57,820 --> 00:12:58,820 I'm not afraid of it. 207 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:00,820 Like honestly, it really doesn't scare me. 208 00:13:00,820 --> 00:13:04,820 Like the house I grew up in until I was six years old had a lot of weird things happening. 209 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:07,820 So I don't know if something that happened there made me more sensitive. 210 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:12,820 When I started doing that development, I didn't expect that the medium abilities would start coming out. 211 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:14,820 Do you think that like everybody has this ability? 212 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:16,820 I believe everyone is psychic to some degree. 213 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:20,820 Over time I realized because of the messages that I was getting, that it was helping people. 214 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:21,820 Yeah. 215 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:24,820 If you ever have questions, you can feel free to contact. 216 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:25,820 Well, thanks. 217 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:26,820 No problem. 218 00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:56,820 So everyone's cell phones are off, right? 219 00:13:56,820 --> 00:13:57,820 Yeah. 220 00:13:57,820 --> 00:13:58,820 Cool. 221 00:14:06,820 --> 00:14:08,820 The life of God surrounds us. 222 00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:10,820 The love of God unfolds us. 223 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:13,820 The power of God protects us. 224 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:20,820 If there's anyone here attached to this house that would like to communicate with us tonight, 225 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:22,820 we welcome you to do so. 226 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:28,820 Is there anything you'd like to tell us? 227 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:35,820 Why are all the flashlight's dying on us? 228 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:39,820 That was brand new. 229 00:14:40,820 --> 00:14:43,820 Okay, I'm starting to get stuff. I know something is present. 230 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:55,820 Search is walking around down there. Over. 231 00:14:55,820 --> 00:14:56,820 What are you hearing? 232 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:57,820 That is her knocking sound. 233 00:14:57,820 --> 00:14:58,820 I heard that. 234 00:14:58,820 --> 00:15:01,820 She is here and she wants you to know she's here. 235 00:15:01,820 --> 00:15:04,820 Do you feel this is the woman in the photograph? 236 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:05,820 Yeah. 237 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:07,820 She's actually quite shy. 238 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:13,820 I feel we're here to help you to communicate with the family that lives in this house. 239 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:19,820 I'm able to hear you and understand you and I'm happy to pass messages along. 240 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:23,820 Is there a reason why she shows herself to me in the window? 241 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:27,820 I'm hearing I'm here to help, not to harm. 242 00:15:27,820 --> 00:15:29,820 She says she's happy to be here. 243 00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:34,820 This family is willing to cooperate and coexist with you. 244 00:15:44,820 --> 00:15:45,820 This got chills. 245 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:50,820 Can you express yourself physically to show us how you feel? 246 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:57,820 Did anyone forget to turn their phone off? 247 00:15:57,820 --> 00:15:59,820 No, they're all off. 248 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:01,820 Then where's that coming from? 249 00:16:07,820 --> 00:16:09,820 Did anyone forget to turn their phone off? 250 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:11,820 No, they're all off. 251 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:13,820 Where's that coming from? 252 00:16:16,820 --> 00:16:18,820 Director's log. Larry is not alone. 253 00:16:18,820 --> 00:16:21,820 We all experienced unexplained phenomena during dead time. 254 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:25,820 And now we're trying to locate the source of the mysterious antique phone ring. 255 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:28,820 I want to find that sound, that telephone ringing. 256 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:32,820 What we need to do is tear down, start analyzing. 257 00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:35,820 Wait, call it again. 258 00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:38,820 That's definitely not it. 259 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:43,820 I've asked Heather and Josh to continue recording audio for the rest of the night in case the sound repeats. 260 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:45,820 Anything? 261 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:46,820 No. 262 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:47,820 Ending now. 263 00:16:52,820 --> 00:16:55,820 Ringing sound 5119. 264 00:16:55,820 --> 00:16:57,820 But it does sound like a distant phone, this ringing. 265 00:16:57,820 --> 00:17:00,820 Just a normal phone, though, compared to the phone in the kitchen. 266 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,820 But it was on point, the other week. 267 00:17:02,820 --> 00:17:06,820 I also asked the family if they called the house at any time during that time. 268 00:17:06,820 --> 00:17:08,820 Then your family didn't call it off, right? 269 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,820 Nobody was there. 270 00:17:12,820 --> 00:17:14,820 Question for you, we were just talking about it. 271 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:19,820 Last night we heard a very old fashioned telephone ring in this house. 272 00:17:19,820 --> 00:17:21,820 Do you know what that was? 273 00:17:22,820 --> 00:17:23,820 No. 274 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:27,820 I thought maybe you don't have any antique phones or any ringtones that sound like that. 275 00:17:27,820 --> 00:17:31,820 No, not anywhere in here. 276 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:33,820 I heard it come from the kitchen area. 277 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:34,820 Dining area. 278 00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:35,820 Yeah, that area. 279 00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:36,820 But the phone was on point. 280 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:37,820 The end point of the phone. 281 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:39,820 We're going to go check out Matt's room. 282 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,820 So that's how low this sound is. 283 00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:47,820 This sound is really, really low. 284 00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:50,820 And yet another creepy coincidence. 285 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:55,820 We're looking for the source of the old fashioned telephone sound that we heard during that time. 286 00:17:55,820 --> 00:17:57,820 And we found this picture on the wall. 287 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:02,820 As for the phone ringing, we're still not sure about that. 288 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:06,820 Larry and CJ both IDing the same photo, along with the mysterious phone ring, 289 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:10,820 make a compelling case for Jane and Whitzel being the source of the haunting. 290 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:15,820 It may simply be that she's unhappy with Larry and Allie living together here out of wedlock. 291 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:21,820 The challenge now is reconciling old fashioned values with the modern family that lives here today. 292 00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:26,820 CJ told me that she felt a clear communication from the spirit earlier this morning. 293 00:18:26,820 --> 00:18:29,820 Because of her ability to talk therapeutically with others, 294 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:32,820 I'm asking CJ to relay that message to Larry and Allie. 295 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:34,820 CJ will be coming in here privately. 296 00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:36,820 We're going to kind of just make sure everyone's out of the way. 297 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:40,820 Now I know that you just try to communicate with at least some of you, 298 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:42,820 which means you probably come through during dreams. 299 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:45,820 Because you're connected the way you are, you have a child together, 300 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:48,820 it's not surprising that you're just considered a member of the family. 301 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:53,820 And what I need to tell you, because I know you had a little bit of a question about this, 302 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:55,820 she's okay with you being here. 303 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:56,820 Yes. 304 00:18:56,820 --> 00:18:58,820 You're getting approval. 305 00:18:58,820 --> 00:19:00,820 Okay. 306 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:04,820 She picks you, you're the one, you're the one in the family. 307 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:06,820 Ready? 308 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:08,820 And just know that she's here. 309 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:10,820 Okay? 310 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:12,820 No. 311 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,820 He's a good guy. 312 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:22,820 This morning I also felt a change. 313 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:25,820 The Sokolowski family seems to be getting along better. 314 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:27,820 Larry seems more comfortable. 315 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:31,820 Maybe coming together for this investigation has been a bonding experience. 316 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:35,820 She comes around a lot when they're fighting, so that's why she's here all the time. 317 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:37,820 Did she say that's why she was on? 318 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:38,820 No. 319 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:39,820 Probably yours. 320 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:40,820 I don't know. 321 00:19:40,820 --> 00:19:41,820 I'm an episode. 322 00:19:41,820 --> 00:19:43,820 Is there anything you want us to do? 323 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:47,820 If they want to leave, we would like them gone. 324 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:54,820 But if they really don't want to leave, then maybe I don't want to kick them out of their house. 325 00:19:54,820 --> 00:19:58,820 As long as they leave me alone, it falls under that rule. 326 00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:03,820 Because the spirit of Jane and Whistle seems non-threatening, 327 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:06,820 and is such a huge part of the house and its history, 328 00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:09,820 the family has asked me not to try and remove her. 329 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:13,820 Hey guys. 330 00:20:13,820 --> 00:20:14,820 Hi. 331 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:18,820 I think we have a face to the ghost lady. 332 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:19,820 I know. 333 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:20,820 So I think it's safe to assume. 334 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:21,820 That's her? 335 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:22,820 That's her. 336 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:24,820 Knowing that there was really something in the house, 337 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:26,820 I actually slept better last night. 338 00:20:26,820 --> 00:20:29,820 I thought I would actually be more scared, 339 00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:31,820 instead I was just a lot more comfortable. 340 00:20:31,820 --> 00:20:33,820 So they don't want to harm you. 341 00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:36,820 And they don't want to get in your way either. 342 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:39,820 They just want to be a part of this house too. 343 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:42,820 How is the family relationship? 344 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:44,820 It's better now. 345 00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:46,820 Thank you for sharing your story. 346 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:49,820 I think this weekend has been a great learning experience. 347 00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:52,820 It's rare that we get families not wanting to remove a spirit. 348 00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:55,820 And normally I would be suspicious of that. 349 00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:58,820 However, the family seems to have their heart in the right place. 350 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:02,820 Hopefully by opening up a line of communication between the spirit and the family, 351 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:05,820 we've also done the same for the family itself. 352 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:07,820 I think that by accepting each other, 353 00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:09,820 everyone in this house can coexist peacefully. 354 00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:11,820 Both the living and the dead. 355 00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:14,820 So, very satisfied with this case. 356 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:21,820 Thank you for watching.